tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post8213032702729306007..comments2023-10-04T11:47:45.212-04:00Comments on The Flying Trilobite: ScienceOnline09 - Art & Science afterwordGlendon Mellowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03582347493421110738noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-8342427042796542602009-01-23T14:10:00.000-05:002009-01-23T14:10:00.000-05:00Hi Glendon! I finally got around to collecting som...Hi Glendon! I finally got around to collecting some of the links of things I mentioned during your session, but I think I'm forgetting something. Anyway, here are two of them at least:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://subtletechnologies.com/" REL="nofollow">Subtle Technologies</A>. I believe the are currently accepting submissions for the conference in June, about networks.<BR/><BR/>This I had a very hard time finding again, because I couldn't remember the details, but I managed to track it down: <A HREF="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/29/primates/" REL="nofollow">An example of art helping science</A>. Relevant quotes: "It was a relatively recently obtained skin so they knew that the animals must be in the area. He requested I produce a drawing of the animal, Mr. Nash said. “We produced posters and T-shirts, and local people, including former hunters, gave lectures to school children and such and all of a sudden populations of these animals were found." and "while Western art students are migrating ever more toward digital art and other lines of work, there appears to be a surge of interest in hand-drawn wildlife illustrations in developing countries. (...) And these are not only for art students, but biology students doing work on these endangered animals want to illustrate their own research.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-85976559350908697272009-01-21T21:03:00.000-05:002009-01-21T21:03:00.000-05:00Did artistic reasons really exist? I tend to thin...Did artistic reasons really exist? I tend to think of that as meaning art for its own sake, as opposed to art in assistance to a pre-hunting ritual. <BR/><BR/>Certainly you're correct Brian, it has scientific and anthropological benefits now.Glendon Mellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03582347493421110738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-70907992025760395912009-01-21T09:20:00.000-05:002009-01-21T09:20:00.000-05:00Well, the cave art example is complicated. The act...Well, the cave art example is complicated. The actual paintings might be closer to fine art; they were depicting real-life experiences and even thoughts of the painters. They can be appreciated on this level (as art) but also can be used by scientists as a view to how the ancient world actually was. The paintings were made for artistic reasons but ended up having scientific benefits.Laelapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00920782525196396058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-61838630762817721462009-01-20T19:02:00.000-05:002009-01-20T19:02:00.000-05:00Brian as always, you are astute and insightful! I...Brian as always, you are astute and insightful! I didn't think of that either, which is sad since I used neolithic art in a blog banner last year. Bad me. <BR/><BR/>So where does it fall in the 5 categories outlined at the conference? Scientific illustration?Glendon Mellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03582347493421110738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-60930714654182084132009-01-20T15:29:00.000-05:002009-01-20T15:29:00.000-05:00Oh! Oh! Oh! I just had another thought about scien...Oh! Oh! Oh! I just had another thought about science intersecting art. Cave paintings. :) The kind of art made by Cro Magnons in Europe that have helped scientists visualize what extinct animals (mammoths, irish elk, etc.) really were like and how these people might have lived. I feel so dumb that I didn't think of it at the time!Laelapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00920782525196396058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-80675542444633383902009-01-19T07:44:00.000-05:002009-01-19T07:44:00.000-05:00Wow,Dave McKean - yeah I'll take that as a complim...Wow,Dave McKean - yeah I'll take that as a compliment! <BR/><BR/>Thanks Rick, the regret at not getting a chance to speak to your further is mutual. We have the blogs though! <BR/><BR/>Owning art is possible....hard to let go of my weird little babies, but possible...Glendon Mellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03582347493421110738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-62957487168539688172009-01-19T07:42:00.000-05:002009-01-19T07:42:00.000-05:00Southern Fried! A real pleasure to meet you and K...Southern Fried! <BR/><BR/>A real pleasure to meet you and Kevin & Miriam. That awkward moment of walking into a bar with pressure for conversation was totally alleviated. Good times.Glendon Mellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03582347493421110738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-80539605766194115662009-01-19T07:34:00.000-05:002009-01-19T07:34:00.000-05:00This is of course very true, Raptor. One of the d...This is of course very true, Raptor. One of the discussional (discussional? Is that a word?) dangers I swerved to avoid was "cooking is complicated and can be done really well so it is art". This is true of course, art has a loose definition. <BR/><BR/>It's why I tried to provide 5 definitions of types of science art, whether t was scientific illustration or fine art dealing with science subjects. Keeps everyone on the same page. ;-)Glendon Mellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03582347493421110738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-78298253446337911552009-01-19T07:32:00.000-05:002009-01-19T07:32:00.000-05:00Jason! Pucker & Bloat are amazing. I'll ...Jason! Pucker & Bloat are amazing. I'll have to do a fan-post about it from the point of view of an invertebrate who lives with me. <BR/><BR/>I look forward to your reading about your love/hate on speculative biology - I suspect you're not alone.Glendon Mellowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03582347493421110738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-70925456899018057062009-01-19T04:38:00.000-05:002009-01-19T04:38:00.000-05:00glendon...sorry i didn't get a chance to chat with...glendon...<BR/><BR/>sorry i didn't get a chance to chat with you, but i enjoyed your session and it fed my brain with something i can use IMMEDIATELY!<BR/><BR/>your art is truly stunning and evokes for me memories of the former vertigo comics cover artist dave mckean...<BR/><BR/>hope to run into you at another conference (and maybe have the ability to own some of your art someday)Up Welnghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14212405859751282835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-50113630509725642482009-01-18T22:09:00.000-05:002009-01-18T22:09:00.000-05:00great meeting you this weekend. Hope you had a saf...great meeting you this weekend. Hope you had a safe trip home.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-34924824949773488982009-01-18T16:21:00.000-05:002009-01-18T16:21:00.000-05:00Paleontologists at museums involve art when they d...Paleontologists at museums involve art when they decide how they should mount a fossil specimen, namely a dinosaur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-978531190643365040.post-4246087218033904232009-01-18T15:58:00.000-05:002009-01-18T15:58:00.000-05:00Thanks. It was a good session. I know how frustrat...Thanks. It was a good session. I know how frustrating it is to be both the producer and performer simultaneously and I am glad it all worked out.<BR/><BR/>I've been composting a post about why I love/hate speculative biology so much and your session has given me some more fertilizer to add to the mix. I might even have enough to make an actual entry about it grow on my blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com